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Introducing new features for Jira Software Cloud's roadmap

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So, aside from the most obvious issue with limiting this to Next-Gen projects comes a fundamental problem with the narrow vision of having to use epics. I have come across this many times, and I finally realized the best way to use a road map is to simply keep it real simple and use another Tool. Why? because roadmaps are typically used with upper-management audience in mind.  What does upper management want to see? They want to know when a release is going live, high-level health and highlight MARQUEE features of a release. 

This feature along with many Jira plugins I have seen, uses the unfortunate assumption that we should use epics for this. Epics, however, I find are only good for ONE thing, and that is simply a container for technically related stories and tasks. Guess what, if I have an epic related to say, creating a Permissions page UI for administrators different stories/tasks will and should have varying release dates aka roadmap timelines. If you say all of these should have the same release date in an Epic, that brings you back to realizing the epic is pointless. Epics are NOT a good use for status, progress and release dates. Why is this?  Well in Jira - FIX VERSION is the release that has meta-data associated with it. The problem is the way Jira works, I cannot KEY on this metadata ( for instance the date of a fix version!!!) . I am not saying there are not roundabout ways to get it this to work, but I am sure others found what I found and it will create a mess out of Jira unless you are doing something really simple with limited stories, data which would also likely negate the viability of clogging your Jira Space with Epics.

Other reports, also key on releases and sprints. So, this, in turn, forces you to use Epics as a release - but for the love of donuts - why not just use fix version/release or even sprints? Sure, leave the option to key on Epics, for those who can get that to work. I suppose the filter feature could perhaps filter on <fixversion x> but still....

This is a cute feature that many like me are going to find is relatively narrow in usefulness.

All that is needed is a roadmap that is centered on a Fix version and THEN, can filter on anything you want within, stories, sprints tasks.

What you have done is very short-sighted in vision,, and leaving VERY old assumptions with Agile that people would use Epics in this way. And I have seen countless other tools make the same mistake.

All that aside, I am still glad to see the feature. But Jira's fundamental flaw has always been the ability to roll-up, or sum information. Why I still can't sum story points and have to export a filter to a bloody csv file is beyond maddening and silly, and yet this feature was a priority?

If I have missed the fact that this tool, can use something other than Epics, well that is because I am not going to create a Next-Gen project to try it because you should have put it in classic :)

I still like Jira for what it does. But for roadmaps, I continue with MS Paint before Jira :)

Awesome feature! Unfortunately like so many others, we won't be able to utilize it since it isn't available for Classic projects.

Making Roadmaps available in Classic... yes, please!

Unfortunately (x2) - The Next-Gen project type is very limited in terms of basic features so I won't recommend using it yet. I would vote as well to enable this Roadmap feature into the classic project type.

where do I find this feature on JIRA?

Erika Sa Atlassian Team Dec 19, 2019

Hey @John Callaghan, we understand that the clutter on the roadmap can grow quickly as your team is working through epics. This is something we’re currently looking into. We’re hoping to solve this problem for you soon. 

Erika Sa Atlassian Team Dec 19, 2019

@Danny van Kammen 
Indeed! Hope all’s been well. Thank you for the explanation. I’ve shared it with my the team to help them prioritise this.

Hey @Bill Dolce thanks for your feedback. Currently there are no plans to add additional layer of hierarchy in the near future. However, this is available with our product Portfolio if you haven’t checked out already.

Erika Sa Atlassian Team Dec 19, 2019

Hi @Jeff_Wheeler we completely understand that release / versioning can be a primary way of planning the future and tracking progress for some teams. With the latest introduction of release feature in next-gen project, this is something we will incorporate into the roadmap view soon. In the meantime, I’d love to hear more about your needs with estimation roll-up and reporting. We’re also exploring how this could be brought into classic projects, and I’d love to get your input. Please find some time here to chat with me. I’d really appreciate it.

Erika Sa Atlassian Team Dec 19, 2019

Hi @ellie the roadmap will come out of the box with a next-gen project. This might mean you'll need to create a new project

@Erika Sa Great to hear - hopefully I'll soon read about it in your excellent update emails, I'm thoroughly enjoying those btw!

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@Danny van Kammen 
Indeed! Hope all’s been well. Thank you for the explanation. I’ve shared it with my the team to help them prioritise this." 

 

Thanx all is well. 

I 'll waiting for the update when they will pick it up :) Thank you.

@Erika Sa Will this roadmap feature be extended to classic projects in addition to nextGen?

Making this work across projects would be amazing so we can see where projects overlap.

@Victor_Burgos Hi Victor, we are evaluating the priority of non-working days amongst other features that we need to build for next-gen.

I'm sorry to hear that next-gen is not currently meeting your needs. Right now, the concept of board settings doesn't exist and until we address that first, we cannot ship non-working days. I would suggest that you use Classic in the meantime if you have more complex needs, and trial next-gen on smaller projects that require simple setup and experiences, which many of our customers do.

If you can be more specific on why you need non-working days on how you use JSW, it will help us understand how to address that need.

To be updated on the roadmap for next-gen, you can refer to https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/whats-new/next-gen

Regards,

Ivan Teong

Atlassian Product Manager

@ivanteong Honestly...I shouldn't have to specify why I need something, especially since it's pretty obvious why I would want it(I stated the reason in my original statement)

But alas, get them with honey not vinegar right?

We WORK 7 DAY WORKWEEKS.

We work Monday to Monday, that is our Sprints.

Most independent game development companies work this way. Especially if they have contractors around the world. Those contractors may not be able to work during the weekdays, and work on weekends. 

I mean seriously...regardless of why I specifically need it, it's a real need. Not everyone works Monday thru Friday 9-5

Freelance/Contract world works all kinds of hours and days.

This is supposed to be next-gen, so please make it next-gen, not 30-50 years ago.

Thanks for your time and hope to see this implemented on the very next update. 

ivanteong Atlassian Team Dec 21, 2019

Thanks @Victor_Burgos

I was more keen to know in which part of the product that you need working days. Is it the reports? Or is it using Tempo time tracking capability?

I know that a lot of contractors use our tools, and we do keep them in mind when developing next-gen.

@ivanteong Are you saying you don't know which parts of JIRA/Next-Gen don't have full 7-day workweek functionality? Because I can't answer that for you, you should know what does and doesn't.

However, the aspect that I am concerned about foremost is JIRA Sprint Time Remaining. You do not take into the weekends and such sprint length time remaining is incorrect (0 days will be on a Friday on a Mon-Mon sprint)

And if there's anywhere else in JIRA that I haven't found or paid attention to in regards to workweeks, then please update those as well. At the very least add the option to pick out the days of the week people work (so, if people take off Sunday, but work Mon-Sat, that should be okay 6-day, but maybe someone else work Sun-Friday, still 6 days, so you need to allow us to pick the days of the week we work on a regular basis.

Do not baby us. Do not hamper us. Do make this truly next-gen.

@Victor_Burgos We do know which parts have the functionality, but the reason why I'm asking you for more details is because we are developing next-gen to be a new Jira, not the next Classic.

Some functionality that exists in Classic today may change in next-gen based on the needs of our users, and without understanding the specific pain-points and the biggest opportunities that lie in our users' experience with Jira, we won't be able to develop something in next-gen that takes all of that into consideration.

Copying/porting the functionality 1-1 from Classic so it's exactly the same is not our strategy. Thanks for sharing more about your issue with non-working days. I'll take that into mind when we are planning milestones for non-working days when we have prioritized it for our roadmap.

2019 is an amazing time to be an Angular dev. Angular has become one of the fastest improving technologies these days with the latest stable version. There are many roads you can follow if you want to become a great Angular developer.

Is there any thought to adding the ability to set timelines on the items within an Epic? Basically giving you a Gantt Chart capability within the Roadmap. You're practically there, might as well just add it in. Also being able to drag and drop the tasks and stories and such underneath the Epic to set the Ticket Priority would be very useful.

Is there an option in the planning to add Milestone (dates) to the Roadmap ?

If we all vote here then they will have to add it!

 Roll-Safe-Think-About-It

So far, I think this is a nice improvement, thanks! Adds value.

It may help expand on linkages. Add more than the "Blocked" option, if that helps people.

Most of all, I'd appreciate being able to "Close" Epics so they don't appear anymore. Seems like my only option is to delete them when "Done." Yes, I can use the filter but displaying them is the default.

Thanks again

Can you please add story points by issue, story points completed / story point totals by epic to this view please?  We'd like to be able to track project spend in a glance.

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