Knowledge graph

[me]

Hi

How can create knowledge graph in confluence (space,page,people)

Goals:

1-find relationship between people.

2-find relation between pages and spaces.

FYI:please check the attachment to observe some example.

Thanks,

[Alan Rodriguez]

FULL STOP

Why does Atlassian NOT have a plan for "knowledge management" and enable user created and AI Assisted Knowledge Graphs?

The lack of VISION here is enough to BUILD a COMPETITOR

If Atlassian product vision is this lacking - FIND EXPERTS TO HELP

If you want to understand why people would want to use Confluence "knowledge" to create Knowledge Graphs - read this blog post about how YOUR CUSTOMERS could use Confluence to create Knowledge Graphs to POWER their AI driven businesses: https://ontologist.substack.com/p/of-wardley-maps-and-knowledge-graphs?r=1mytm&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

HERE ARE MORE: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7167137462853550080/

YALL NEED TO WAKE UP

[Nic Brough -Adaptavist-]

YALL need to wake up and recognise that AI is not ready to do this

[Alan Rodriguez]

Hey Nic

You insist AI cannot reference Confluence content and attachments and suggest a knowledge graph… that users could then curate to refine

Microsoft disagrees - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/graphrag/

Project Graph RAG

They are not the only option

[Alan Rodriguez]

And here’s another one - https://devpost.com/software/google-knowledge-graph-for-confluence

[Alan Rodriguez]

And here’s another one…

https://neo4j.com/labs/genai-ecosystem/llm-graph-builder/

[Alan Rodriguez]

And here is another one…

https://www.sciphi.ai/blog/triplex

[Alan Rodriguez]

Shelf.io supports Confluence 

Same story…

[Weaver]

Hey, so my company also saw this gap and is now building it as an integrated document management and automated workflows platform.

https://www.qflow.com/the-future

[Alan Rodriguez]

Hello Weaver - does your solution work within Confluence? If so, I'd love to connect! my email is alan (at) df (dot) foundation

[Hiro Daryanani]

This conversation speaks volumes in that a Confluence Community Leader doesn't have the feintest idea what a Knowledge Graph and why use one. Simple google search reveals....

"Knowledge graphs (KGs) organise data from multiple sources, capture information about entities of interest in a given domain or task (like people, places or events), and forge connections between them. " source

Would be good if Atlassian started to make an effort to keep ahead of the product development curve, or more nimble competitors, like Microsoft, will take over

[Alan Rodriguez]

And this discussion began middle of 2021 - three years ago!!!

NOTHING HAPPENING

[me]

@Nic Brough -Adaptavist- 

Actually these entities exist on Confluence database, just query on them and show.

and they made by user activity on question.

[Nic Brough -Adaptavist-]

That makes no sense, you should not be writing to a Confluence database (you probably shouldn't be reading it either - it's not designed for reporting either)

[Alan Rodriguez]

Exactly - COPOUT

Where's the Product Vision HERE?

[Nic Brough -Adaptavist-]

What do you mean by "product vision"?

[Alan Rodriguez]

Understanding why users of a knowledge management solution would want to create a knowledge graphs...

[Nic Brough -Adaptavist-]

How are you entering these relationships in Confluence?

[me]

Here is some ideas:

1-find who looking for what.

2-how people interact.

create ontology and calculate and even predict weight of each edge.

Thanks

[Nic Brough -Adaptavist-]

But how are you entering these into Confluence?

[me]

That’s why I asking this question, I am looking for idea :)

[Nic Brough -Adaptavist-]

Mmm, not quite.  Your question was about displaying some diagrams, not about what data is behind them.

I think you need to start with a look at what you're trying to capture and draw up diagrams from.

[me]

an idea come to my mind, using "Confluence Questions"

it create score for users that answer to question (specific topic), with rest api I think it's possible to fetch this data an convert them to graph to show which user have strong experience in each topics.

[Nipun Agarwal]

Yes this is something that was in my mind. It will be I think very useful to find create a kg out of confluence spaces. Helps in understanding connections

[wiktorsmyk]

@me Did you manage to get this off the ground in any way?

I just witnessed a team navigating confluence and a graph like this would have made this so much easier.

[me]

Still not do you have any idea?

 Thanks 

[Nic Brough -Adaptavist-]

There's not a lot we can talk about until we know what data you intend to draw diagrams from.

[me]

@Nic Brough -Adaptavist- 

Please check my comment about question section.

 Thanks 

[Nic Brough -Adaptavist-]

I did.  It doesn't answer the question.

[me]

@Nic Brough -Adaptavist- 

We have 3 entity(users,score,topics)

Use case 1

1-topic locate in center

2-topic connect to users with a line

3-as much as score is higher the line is thicker 

Use case 2

1-user locate in center

2-user connect to topics with a line

3-as much as score is higher the line is thicker

Any idea?

[Nic Brough -Adaptavist-]

And how are you putting that into Confluence?

[matheusknebel]

@Nic Brough -Adaptavist-  I believe ''how to put into Confluence'' was the very question @me was asking :P

Suggestions could be helpful here too!

[Nic Brough -Adaptavist-]

I think you have misunderstood my posts.

The original question can be paraphrased as "How can I draw stuff like this in Confluence?".

My answer is "How are you getting the data for it into Confluence?"

Unless you can tell us how you are adding the data for it to Confluence, there's no way we can start to tell you how you might go about displaying it.

[Uwe Pilz]

@Nic Brough -Adaptavist- 

I envision tagging pages as data input. The more common tags, the closer the relation of pages.

Other data points could be common key (rare) words, links to internal or external pages, common editors, @mentions.

[Alan Rodriguez]

Confluence should use AI to suggest relationships, that human users curate and share, that construct the Knowledge Graph, from the existing Confluence materials - including PDF attachments and diagrams.

These relationships might be temporal, spacial, object relational, language relational, cause and effect, etc.

[Nic Brough -Adaptavist-]

AI's are not ready to do this, Confluence should not use them until they are.

[Alan Rodriguez]

So Nic - in your opinion - Confluence as a knowledge management solution - should NOT be used to create knowledge graphs?

And you say this with 100% confidence having zero understanding of the use cases for knowledge graphs?

Stunning 

Almost positive I'll be changing platforms...

[Nic Brough -Adaptavist-]

No.  It is a good place to do knowledge management, because it is a wiki, meaning it is fluid, editable,  easy to update.

There are known problems with Confluence - personally, I think the search is rubbish, and I do not think I am alone.  And the curation functionality is dreadful (I'm still finding stuff in Adaptavist's main confluence that was written by people who left before I joined, well over a decade out of date)

It absolutely can be used for knowledge graphs, but they are not built in.  Again, only an opinion, but I think they should be, it would be a huge improvement.  But knowledge graphs need the people who put data in to know what they are doing.  Be careful there, we humans are very very bad at that!

[Alan Rodriguez]

I'll be ditching Confluence ASAP