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0:28:30 Victor Debone - Forge: Driving the way new apps are built 1:10:30 Mark Cruth - Navigating the new world of the hybrid format 1:55:45 Gosia Kowalska - Future of Data Center
@Gosia (or others) - can the application tunnels be used as part of a multistage migration strategy, essentially creating a federated system between DC and Cloud? Glad to talk to someone offline if preferred. Thanks!
@Phill Fox thanks for sharing the recording! I’m happy to see the scope of the Data Center team to include feature enhancements. And not only for admins - but end users, too!
Being able to comment while editing a Confluence page will be useful. And app usage stats? That will help us keep our add-on offerings focused for our user populations.
Curious to learn more about the JSM Approval comment improvements, I’ll keep my eyes open for that feature… 👀
@John Dunkelberg - I absolutely see Application Tunnels being a part of a migration strategy, lowering the friction of connecting on-prem apps to Atlassian-hosted ones.
I would like the future of Data Center to be more affordable to businesses with under 500 employees.
Smaller companies who can't go to the cloud because it's not FEDRAMP compliant are stuck with $70,000 bill to use Jira /Confluence Data Center! Every year! And that is not including plug-ins!! DC Plug-in vendors have user tiers available for under 500 users but since price is tied to our user tier they are automatically set to 500 too. It's ridiculous. $42,000 for data center / 500 users = $84 per user. We have less than 200, closer to 150 but let's go with 200. 200 * $84 = $16,800. That's $25,200 extra dollars we are paying for NOTHING. That's $25,200 extra dollars in your pocket. EVERY YEAR!! How is this ok?
I have recently been investigating Confluence as a platform for something really cool. But it does require building my own plugin. So, Ive been investigating that. Through developing for it (forge for cloud, pretty neat, and SDK for DC) I've seen the really fundamental difference between both approaches. Looking at where Atlassian's focus lies (cloud, forge), and corroborated by something like the macOS SDK for DC being Confluence 6(!) and Java 8(!) still, I have gotten the strong impression that Atlassian is trying to keep DC alive until the cloud code base is ready as basis for a new DC offering (because no way everyone will move to cloud. NSA, CIA, etc. anyone?), potentially with forge as development platform for both. The two entirely different architectures must be a pain for Atlassian and I would be very surprised if there wasn't a road map to get to a single unified architecture, based on the cloud offering (but potentially deployed privately, eg. via containers).
This state of affairs presents me with a problem. I have to create something for DC, but developing for DC seems to me developing for a deprecated platform. There is simply not enough 'energy' in that road map and the future is uncertain, whatever the formal statements. Actions speak louder than words).
So, ideally I would use the most modern development setup (forge) but no such luck for DC.
This kind of kills my 'really cool' project (and the use of Confluence as the platform for which to develop it) dead in its tracks.
As a smaller user of Server - we are looking at our options. We currently cannot migrate to Cloud due to security requirements but would like to go to Data Center - however we only require a 50 seat license and I cant find an option for this? Am I missing something - is it possible to purchase Data Center 50 seat licenses for Jira and Confluence?
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Thanks @Nic Brough -Adaptavist- Appreciate the quick response... I hope they reassess this as some smaller users will not be in a position to go Cloud. Cheers
@Rod Bergmans Definitely. There needs to be a version that can be strictly separated from the public cloud. Many parties will not go to the cloud, period (think, intelligence, justice, security departments of large players).
From an architectural perspective, Atlassian Datacenter seems clearly on life support nearing end of life (can take many years still). There is hardly any development or maintenance. The Cloud/Forge environment is also messy with several half-completed APIs. I've looked at Atlassian's own Kansan for certain products and you'll notice elements owned by people no longer there that have been untouched in years.
If I were Atlassian, I would make sure the cloud version can be run on-premises (containers run on premises are probably the way to go here) a.s.a.p. But from what I see, the internal 'technical' state of Atlassian is problematic and they really, really could use a powerful architect who has (deep) support from the top. But the impression this all gives is that it is all dumbed down to short-term money/budget/profit issues. Or their technical choices have been so short sighted that they have developed the cloud environment in a way that they cannot ship it to customers (e.g. IPR risk) in which case they should quickly restart Datacenter as a serious part of their portfolio. I'll believe Datacenter is serious for Atlassian if they enable development on macOS again (as this is probably a bellwether)
@Gerben Wierda - Couldnt agree more! I like the containerisation thoughts.
@Gosia Kowalska - Is this something that Atlassian are or would be considering? Even in the short term allowing 50 seat DC licensing would be a good stepping stone whilst the longer term strategy is worked on :)
I doubt that they will want to support their smaller on-premise customers, and even if they eventually do, it will be too late for most of them having left the Atlassian eco system.
However, economically, the cloud centered approach does have disadvantages being much more exposed to the ups and downs of world‘s economy, and the analysts were not too happy with Atlassian‘s last quarter:
“Increasing headwinds in the quarter drove a second consecutive cut to their growth outlook in the cloud business. Peeling back the layers further, the segments that drove the outperformance in the quarter were centered around their on-prem businesses, while disappointment in the cloud segment raises concerns for the remainder of the year.“
We do no plan to update this article. If you would like to learn about Data Center strategy and roadmap plans for 2024, I would like to invite you to participate in the upcoming Data Center webinar.
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So I guess if you have enough money you can keep it.
@Andrew Laden that's pretty normal. I was in a company that had an old Solaris server past EOL on some special (and expensive) support until our IT folks could get the replacement set. So if DC has a critical value for a company that supports the cost, I'm not surprised Atlassian will have a special sustaining team funded by that as long as there's a sufficient market.
But Cloud has clearly been the future for quite some time now. This announcement brings more certainty on that. I'm sure many folks will be glad to have that certainty to help motivate decision making and budgeting to design their company's future.
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