Looks like on August 15, we'll all be forced into the WYSIWYG editor. :(

[tzsebe]

I noticed an ominous message above my editor box today, "On August 15, your editing experience for card descriptions and comments will be updated." (haha I couldn't paste this in, it kept pasting it to the end of the message -  it looks like "paste" doesn't work correctly in this editor - dear me, I hope this bug isn't in the new Trello editor too)

I've been going to trello.com/my/labs and disabling the WYSIWYG editor every time I logged in on a new browser.

I like to use Markdown, but I hate when the editor changes formatting on me as I type. Just let me write my markdown and I'll tell you when I want to preview it!

Will there be a way to get the old mode (or just "disable update as you type" in the new editor), or are we stuck with needlessly-distract-as-you-type mode? I can't be the only one who hates the new experience, but I'm not finding much discussion about it... so maybe I am?

[Caity]

There will not be a way to go back to the old mode after August 15. I know that's disappointing, so I want to share a little more about why we've made this decision.

At this point, very few people are still using the old Markdown editor. For a long time, there wasn't much downside to keeping it around for people who preferred it, so we were happy to leave it as an option. However, that's no longer the case—continuing to support both of these experiences would slow us down—and so we had to make the tough call to remove the old Markdown editor from the small number of people who were still using it.

I know that this isn't the news you were hoping for, but I hope that helps give some context to this decision.

[Taco Joe]

> At this point, very few people are still using the old Markdown editor. For a long time, there wasn't much downside to keeping it around for people who preferred it, so we were happy to leave it as an option. However, that's no longer the case

Gee, I wonder why, when you force users onto the new experience without asking them and whenever their cookies get reset, then obfuscate how to turn it off. 

[Taco Joe]

and look, not even the atlassian proper WYSIWYG markdown editor works LOL (see how it failed the block quote?)

[mnicky]

I want to echo Taco's point - the option to keep the old editor was not very visible, so it's understandable that many couldn't find that and are using a new editor.

Even some advanced users at my  workplace, for example. E.g., only recently I found one guy that was very frustrated  with the new editor and would LOVE to switch to the old one, but he didn't know that it's possible (at least until August 15th).
The switch in labs is pretty decently hidden ;)

So I want to say that the fact that majority of your users use the new editor doesn't mean that they wouldn't use the old one if they knew how to. You should take this into consideration when making decisions.

@Caity On the other hand, couldn't the option to edit raw markdown be added to the new editor? This way, everyone would be satisfied, even the minority of us, Trello's advanced users.

[Tyler Johnson]

As Taco Joe points out, this is the result of a user steering dark pattern that  isn't about user preference, but about manipulating users into a predetermined choice. 

[Anthony Smith]

I agree; this was not a preference; it was a forced change with no obvious method of reversion.

The WYSIWYG editor is so bad in Trello I generally can live with them if required, but it seems that Trello has gone down a path with their Wysiwyg to make it as NOT user-friendly as possible, defeating the entire point of them.

Example: (1 of 100's I could give)

In what universe did the Trello developers believe that if I want to copy some data out of a single cell in a spreadsheet and paste it into the description on the card, what I really want is to NOT paste what I copied and instead upload the entire spreadsheet to the card.

Not only is this beyond insane, but it could have GDPR and security implications. What if there is sensitive information in that spreadsheet? Perhaps I wanted to copy and paste a piece of information that was not sensitive, but no one... NO ONE!!! I would expect to upload the spreadsheet upon ctrl+v.

With respect, this decision must have been made by someone who lives in an echo chamber and listens to no one but his or her inner monologue about what a great job he or she is doing.



@Caity if I just keep changing your monthly payment for your phone to a higher price and offering no practical way for you to stop me, I am ok to assume that means you want to pay more?

Please reconsider this and escalate!

[Caity]

I understand you're really disappointed by this change, and I know that it must feel frustrating that you won't be able to continue to use Trello for your workflow. I've passed along this feedback to the editor team. However, we've made this decision very carefully, and we're fully committed to this change. 

[Anthony Smith]

@Caity, I find that quite a patronising way of avoiding the real issue and question.

Perhaps you would like to justify your misdirection? 

[RichardJECooke]

How are we supposed to copy markdown into and out of cards with the new editor though?  I backup long cards that we use as notes in plaintext, and with the new editor this is going to be impossible.

[RichardJECooke]

Looks like there is no way to do this. For other people reading this issue (or this one https://community.atlassian.com/t5/Trello-questions/How-can-I-switch-off-the-new-Editor-It-s-catastrophic-in-my-case/qaq-p/2260763) in future, Google Docs has just released proper markdown support. Probably better to switch to that since Trello is killing their support.

[Anthony Smith]

They are avoiding the question entirely, though. That is what is going to frustrate people more than anything. If you make a decision, fine, but stand by it and be prepared to justify it.

@Caity just essentially said "sorry not sorry" and avoided the actual question asked all together.

I have raised a bug report anyway, as this is a literal security nightmare, and they are in the firing line for making it possible to accidentally upload sensitive, possibly vulnerable individuals' private information directly onto their servers... GDPR NIGHTMARE!!

[Caity]

Hi Anthony, I'm not sure what question hasn't been answered yet. I thought that the question in this page was whether Trello would add a way to continue using Markdown, and I've tried to be very clear that, no, we are moving forward with removing the Markdown editor, and we will not be reversing this decision. I wouldn't want to mislead you into thinking otherwise.

I have seen some questions pop up about copying Markdown, so I want to make sure everyone knows that the new editor has a "View Markdown" option to help you copy the raw Markdown if you'd like to copy or move the content out of Trello.

Although I didn't see any other direct questions about this change, there were some other statements made above that I'm happy to take some time to clarify.

Regarding the behavior you described when copying from a spreadsheet, I agree that isn't how that should work. In fact, that was reported as a bug and fixed last year, and I'm not able to replicate it myself. If you're still seeing it, I would encourage you to file a bug report. However, I don't believe it would be considered to be a GDPR violation, as the attachment could immediately be deleted.

Finally, regarding the suggestion that the only reason so few people are using the new editor is because the only way to turn it off is on the Labs page, this wasn't always the case. Originally, Trello initially included a link in the card description to turn off the new editor. That link wasn't removed until more than 99% of users had switched to using the new editor.

Hopefully all of these points are clear now. I understand that it's disappointing that you won't be able to continue using Markdown, and I hope the "View Markdown" option I shared above will help you with this transition.

[RichardJECooke]

Thanks @Caity , but there's no way to copy Markdown *into* the textfield anymore is there? The `view markdown` option is readonly.

[Anthony Smith]

@Caity, it is disappointing that you need the questions made so direct, but I will do my very best to help.

1. Do you believe that you have accurate desired use statistics on the preference of MD vs WYSIWYG when the mechanism you have clearly said you have used is that you force users onto the new experience without asking them, and whenever their cookies get reset, then obfuscate how to turn it off. 

2. If you were truly catering for the end users, why did you remove the link to turn it off link/option? this lasted a very short time, I suspect this is because the lack of takeup did not fit the narrative.

3. Are you confirming that the development of the WYSIWYG editor intentionally upon copying a cell from an external spreadsheet and pasting the cell into the WYSIWYG editor expecting the contents of the cell as text instead uploads a picture of the text/cell content or the entire spreadsheet sometimes at random.

4. This is probably the most important question of all, Are you honestly saying that you had a 99% willing and active user-driven takeup of the WYSIWYG editor? No one was forced into the new editor in any way, shape, or form. This includes simply applying defaults through any mechanism that changed the editor from MD to WYSIWYG on behalf of the user.

[Caity]

@RichardJECooke That's right, that's a read only panel intended to help people copy out of Trello into another app (for example, we were hearing that people using Trello to draft social media posts needed that ability).

Writing Markdown into the editor should auto-convert into formatted text, although pasting Markdown into the editor does not. Pasting formatted text into the editor, on the other hand, should result in the formatting carrying over.

Correction: Pasting Markdown from a plain text editor will properly convert to formatted text. If pasting from a rich text editor, you'll need to paste without formatting (shift + cmd or ctrl + v) and then click the clipboard icon to choose to paste as Markdown.

[Caity]

@Anthony Smith For your questions 1, 2, and 4, I've already addressed these, so I won't be repeating my answers here. If there are new questions about how to use the new editor or otherwise adjust to this change, I'm happy to help with those.

For # 3, the expected behavior, which I'm able to reproduce, is that it should copy the text from the cell and not upload an image. If you're seeing something different, submitting a bug report, which it sounds like you've already done, is definitely the way to go.

[Anthony Smith]

@Caity Thanks, bug report filed.

As for 1, 2 and 4. No, you have not answered those questions, you have danced around the edge of them.

But I appreciate you probably have some supervisor preventing you from giving direct answers or inhibiting your ability to just be honest, so I won't push you into a difficult position; just again express disappointment and the lack of openness and transparency. 

[mnicky]

@Caity

There's one question of mine that haven't been answered yet, but maybe I was not sufficiently clear so I will try to explain it more :)

At the beginning you wrote:

> However, that's no longer the case—continuing to support both of these experiences would slow us down—and so we had to make the tough call to remove the old Markdown editor from the small number of people who were still using it.

My question is how should we understand this statement.

One way is that it is a (understandable) waste of resources to support and maintain two editors - the new one alongside the old one.

If this is the case, my question that I posed above is: wouldn't it be possible to incorporate markdown editing into the new editor, so that there's just one codebase etc.?

The other way to interpret your statement, of course, is that it's not so much about two different codebases but about two different ways of text editing, that you have decided not to support. In this case, adding full markdown support to the new editor isn't an option for you (and we'll be sad :)

Can you clarify this, please?

My interpretation was that you meant the first thing (because the new editor already has some markdown support - namely markdown view and markdown input, and so it shouldn't be much more work to support the full markdown editing - but what do I know). And I hoped that you would consider this...

But now I realized there's also the second possible interpretation.

[Caity]

Hi @mnicky, happy to try to explain this!

Both of your interpretations are correct—there are separate editors involved and separate ways of formatting text.

If you've use other Atlassian products, you might have noticed that they use a version of the same WYSIWYG editor as Trello. That editor is built to use Atlassian Document Format rather than Markdown.

I know it's disappointing to lose full Markdown support, and I've created a feature request ticket for the team at Atlassian that's responsible for the editor to let them know that there's interest in full Markdown support. To be totally straightforward, I don't think it's likely that they they'd be able to add this in the near future, but it's on their radar.

[tzsebe]

@Caity Thanks for fielding all the questions. :)

IMO there absolutely needs to be a way to paste markdown INTO the field. Without that, it doesn't meet the MVP bar.

It's extremely common for me to be writing some notes separately (in notepad or similar), in a markdown-esque format (really just nested bullets), and quickly pasting it into Trello when I'm done. It's just quick and easy to make local edits that way (e.g. if I'm taking notes during a phone call or something).

I guess I can look into using a chrome extension like PasteHuman, but the fact that I have to do that to work around this is really disappointing. This is equivalent to making backwards-incompatible, breaking changes to an API.

Speaking of which, another question: What about writing card descriptions using the API? Will that at least continue to support markdown?

[Caity]

@tzsebe It should still work when creating card descriptions using the API; I'll confirm this on Monday and follow up.

I was looking into the pasting behavior, and I was incorrect in one of my previous statements—it actually is possible to paste Markdown into the editor and have it format properly, but it depends on what's copied and how.

If you're pasting Markdown from a plain text editor into the Editor, it will convert to formatted text automatically. However, if you've written Markdown in a rich text editor, then it will copy over exactly because it's considered to already be formatted.  The workaround for that is to use the option to paste without formatting (e.g., shift + cmd or ctrl + v). A little clipboard icon will show up, and from there you can select whether you want to paste as plain text or as Markdown. It's definitely a bit tedious—if possible, I'd suggest switching to plain text mode in the other app so you don't have to bother with that step.

If that doesn't match what you're seeing, could you please share some more details about where you're copying from so we can troubleshoot?

@RichardJECooke Want to make sure you see this as well as I gave you the wrong information earlier, apologies! Would you please try this out and let me know if it works for you?

[Caity]

@tzsebe OK, yes, I was able to confirm that Markdown in descriptions added via the API will still format properly.

[tzsebe]

Thanks for clarifying those things, I'm glad markdown pasting will still work. Not sure I'd I'd continue without it. :)

[Nate Reinar Windwood]

@Caity, why would anyone invent their own document format when Markdown (with a few extensions) is already perfect? Did your devs contract the “not invented here” syndrom from Microsoft? Stop mutiplying standards! Also, WYSIWYG is cancer and always leads to shitty code.

[Brian Schack]

> At this point, very few people are still using the old Markdown editor. For a long time, there wasn't much downside to keeping it around for people who preferred it, so we were happy to leave it as an option.

I accept your assertion that the majority of users use the WYSIWYG editor. But as others have said, the WYSIWYG editor is the default, and switching to the Markdown editor is difficult (and soon to be impossible).

If you had given us a free and fair choice between editors, then higher usage would indicate our preference. But since you set a default and then enforced it, higher usage indicates your preference.

[JD]

Commonly referred to as "Tyranny of the default"

[tzsebe]

@Caity what's the long game here? You had mentioned keeping the old textbox around was slowing you guys down, which is extremely hard to believe, unless the tech was poorly built in the first place.

My bigger concern is that the reason this is slowing you down is that your backend currently has to support storage in markdown AND Atlassian Document Format, and you're trying to make it so there's only a single code/data path.

This would imply that what you're working towards is an end-to-end migration where it's all ADF under the hood.

Since there's precedent for Atlassian making unannounced breaking API changes, I'm concerned about where this is going. There's a version of this where everything is fine, but there's a version of this where Trello becomes truly unusable for anyone not willing to adopt more of the ecosystem (e.g. the API changing to only return the ADF JSON and breaking everyone who was working with markdown at that level).

[JD]

After looking at an exported board data set, it appears that -- for the time being -- they're still storing the data in Markdown format, or converting it on-demand.

But you're right.  This stinks of a precursor to moving to a new proprietary format.

[Salvador Aguirre]

Default answers in surveys are NOT accurate surveys.

Now that I go back to use trello more I found out this awful change & surely I never checked to disable it, now I'm left with porting all my cards outside of trello.

Anoter -1 for SaaS software 🙃
Or as my kids say:
Huge L

[Beatrix Paal]

@Caity 

You said earlier in this thread that there was a button to download markdown.  Maybe on July 19 that was true.  It's not there anymore, at least for me.

July 19 was still in the good old days when you could simply turn off the WYSIWYG editor if you spent enough time and energy on digging up how.

Now it's September 19 and the only option is to watch and experience the growing pains of Trello engineers as they discover that writing a good and reliable WYSIWYG editor that does not piss users off is synonymous with futility

RN the editor actually does LESS than basic markdown. But looking into my crystal ball I see how it will get "improved" in the future.  And turned into a bloated mess that is completely contrary to the Trello philosophy (Well, the philosophy that originally got Trello started and that got lost when the company was sold)

[Beatrix Paal]

https://community.atlassian.com/t5/Trello-discussions/Looks-like-on-August-15-we-ll-all-be-forced-into-the-WYSIWYG/m-p/2802863#M4089

That.  Huge L.

[Caity]

@Beatrix Paal When you mention downloading Markdown, are you referring to the button to view Markdown? That's still available here:

[Juan Ochoa]

That is good to know up front.

One of the only reasons I have stayed with Trello for so long (basically since the first year of the service) was the markdown mode since I use MD for writing notes practically everywhere. I rarely every use the old M$ editors, or GDocs, or any similar. They slow me way, way down.

Follow-up question:

Is there a bulk download mode for our information? Or is manually copying and deleting our old cards, lists and boards the only way? Thx!

Edit: note that I am looking for a way to download the data and keep the markdown format. The JSON and/or CSV formats would probably require writing a bash script to convert them back to markdown, and that might be too error prone. So, not the path I want to take.

[Caity]

Hi @Juan Ochoa, we have some more info on exporting from Trello here: https://support.atlassian.com/trello/docs/exporting-data-from-trello/

[Juan Ochoa]

Thanks. Looks like it'll have to be the slow slog and manual way then. Luckily I exported and/or deleted over half my boards a couple of years ago. Cheers!

[Adrian Williams]

This all makes me very sad.
Sad because I don't have the energy to move to another platform.
And sad because I'll probably have to.

[Nate Reinar Windwood]

I really hope they lose a lot of users from this. Any WYSIWYG sympathizer deserves to go broke.

[JD]

This may be the nail on the coffin for me after using Trello (and paying for it) for longer than I can remember.

As a developer, I find it appalling that such a SIMPLE and already-present feature would be axed after a non-trivial amount of community users have repeatedly vocalized their dislike for the new editor for a long time.

To say "At this point, very few people are still using the old Markdown editor" after everyone was forced to the new editor and the setting to turn it off was effectively hidden is patronizing and offensive.

To say "continuing to support both of these experiences would slow us down" is an outright lie.

[Edward Walker]

I am one of the people still using the old Markdown editor, mainly because of its support for nested quotes.

Quite often I will quote part of someone else's comment to give context to my own reply — especially if the ticket has a few different conversations going on in it (this is my approach to solving the problem in https://community.atlassian.com/t5/Trello-questions/How-to-create-a-nested-response-in-a-card-s-comment-feed/qaq-p/2458089).
In this case, it's very handy to be able to quote exact formatting, including dot points, lists, or indeed other quotes in their comments.

This works fine in Markdown, as Markdown blocks like quotes and lists are recursive.

But the new editor blocks are not, so if I quote someone else's list, quote, etc. it makes a mess of the formatting. This is especially bad if I'm quoting emails or other documents that do have nested formatting.

Until this is fixed, I don't consider the new editor a full-featured replacement for Markdown, and I will remain with the Markdown editor for as long as possible. I've also been encouraging my team to switch back until nested quotes are supported.

[8sx3]

the new editor is actually so bad i take my university notes on trello because the markdown editor made my notes look really nice and easy to read but the new editor ruins it all and removes most of the features that made trello special for me... i tried getting used to the new editor and learn it but theres just too much stuff i cant do that markdown can do so now i have to find something similar to trello that has markdown editor and transfer everything :(

[Juan Ochoa]

Moving my boards has been slower than I would have liked, but I'm almost done. FWIW, I will be moving on to Obsidian notes. As a dev, I've seen lots of other devs I follow on various social channels and community Slacks/Discords say very good things about it. Plus as a heavy user of Neovim, that integration and plugin will be a very valuable addition to my workflow. Paying for syncing will be easy as well, though there are many, many ways to sync w/o paying Obsidian. Another bonus is that it's just text files. The plugin ecosystem is another positive for the plugins I've added. I also looked at Notion, but for the simplicity of Obsidian and just working with text files ... this made it a winner for my use cases. Good luck everybody in finding your solutions outside of Trello. Or in adjusting to the new editor for those of you that won't be able to move off Trello. And thank you to Trello for the many years it helped me stay productive and when it still worked well for my use cases. It was a very valuable tool for many years.

[tzsebe]

Interesting, when I looked at Obsidian way back when, it was touted as being more about unstructured connections, but now I see they have structure and checklists.

I've been wanting to redo my personal productivity tracking app and decouple it from Trello, so it can work with anything that has the concepts I need (which in Trello map nicely into lists, cards, checklists). This might be a good opportunity to make that refactor, and play around with different storage backends for it!

[morgenpeschke]

Same.

I've setup folder sync between my laptop and mobile Obsidian using Google Drive and it took about 15 minutes (including searching up how to do it).

The editor switch has been looming for a while, and the absolute menace the Atlassian Editor experience has been in JIRA and Confluence is absolutely not something I'm interested in putting up with when I'm not being paid for my patience.

[Robin S]

"continuing to support both of these experiences would slow us down"

Yeah, because it's soooo hard to maintain a simple markdown editor for a big company like Atlassian... even though there are so many great open source components available 🙄.

In my opinion, this is the usual kind of "dictatorship" of too large companies who think to know exactly what their users want... like Microsoft and their great start menu in Windows 8. Or more recently Google with their new Google Maps Gray in Gray styling because some UX designer got bored. Or very recently, Sonos and their "great new" apps where ratings are dropping massivley for months now.

I don't think WYSIWYG ist a bad thing, but it seems to be really hard to do it right. I just fighted with this simple editor of yours to quote the line in the beginning... in the end I decided to simply format it in italic... Or just before in Trello, trying the new editor again: after just a minute the editor got confused to separate a bullet list from a formatted headline above and mixes it all up so I had to delete most things and try again. Markdown on the other side means to precisly define what you want, when your software can't.

The funny thing is: In our pretty large company I can nearly every day see tech experts, software architects and product managers fighting with your editor experience in Confluence, especially when taking meeting notes where things have to go fast. But it's hard to get rid of it (and it's horribly dumb search functionality) because it's tightly integration with the "beloved" Jira. At least we are going to say adiós to Bitbucket even though it's one of the better products regarding UX (but not for stability).

Honestly, I kind of like the decision because that way it's easier for me to finally move on to something else after all these years. I don't need most of this extra stuff and paid extension nonsense. Maybe the free Obsidian with some Kanban extension, at least for personal use.

By the way, we live now in the AI-supported age. I can imagine that in a near future people will be able to specify in ChatGPT-style what kind of software or app they want and it gets build to their preferences from basic building blocks. Something that everyone can use and the AI could ask in a polite way if it should adapt the app to a specific working style after some day of usage.... something individually customizable. Ideally as simple as: "Build me a fullstack application that works like Trello with these and those features including mobile apps for Android + iOS and deploy it to AWS"... done.

[mnicky]

> "continuing to support both of these experiences would slow us down"

Thinking more about this...

They don't mind slowing _us_ (their users) down with a new editor. They mind _them_ being slowed down. Probably wise to move elsewhere...

[Juan Ochoa]

also keep in mind, that most of their tools are not really aimed at creators, developers, etc. Markdown is (as far as I can tell) still a DSL primarily geared towards these folks.

It's been evident to a lot of folks that Atlassian tools are geared toward the middle-management layer these days. Not a single developer or creative I've ever known enjoys working with Jira for example. But middle managers, on the other hand, seem to love it for some reason. Luckily, we recently rejected it at my work this past year ... after management gave it a look for a few months.

I WAS bummed when Trello was purchased by Atlassian those years ago, and knew then that it would eventually become necessary to leave this tool behind. Sad, but no hard feelings.

[tzsebe]

Yeah when Atlassian purchased it, I definitely had a Spaceballs "oh sh*t there goes the planet" moment :)

[JD]

Amusingly, I exported some of my boards (I'm moving to my own product that I'm working on) and it appears that they're storing the WYSIWYG text data in Markdown -- or at least converting to it before export.

[mnicky]

Yes, the markdown support _is_ there in some way, they just don't deem it important enough to retain the ability to fully use markdown when editing...

It is actually pretty funny, given how many people must be upset with the change while still continuing to use the product because they have no other choice...

But no, it would be "too costly" for Atlassian to fix this... Okay then.. At least some of us have the freedom to leave for something better...

[Seweryn Kalemba]

Hello Trello community,

I have some good news. :) I've developed a browser extension that will bring back legacy markdown editor in the place of new WYSIWYG editor. The extension will be lightweight, available free of charge and won't collect any of your personal data. It will come with other handy features, so make sure to check it out.

It's currently in the process of review for Chrome Webstore. An extension published in there can be installed in Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge and Opera.

I will update you once published in this thread.

Update (15/08/2024): 

The extension has been approved and published to Chrome Webstore: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/better-trello/dnhdnenpngcecekbhklemaidbdpibiae

Update (17/08/2024): 

The extension is available on Firefox Addons as well: https://addons.mozilla.org/pl/firefox/addon/better-trello/

[Adrian]

This great.

I was thinking about doing the same.

But thinking isn't doing.  So I'm glad somebody did the deed. 👍🏾

[tzsebe]

Not all heroes wear capes!

The thought had crossed my mind this was a good opportunity to learn how extensions work, but I guess I'll have to find another opportunity lol

Thanks for doing this, I'll surely be checking it out!

[Seweryn Kalemba]

@Adrian @tzsebe Thanks a lot!

I can share you unpublished version if you would be keen on testing it before publishing to marketplace. It may have some minor bugs since it was created in the span of couple hours :D 

Let me know if you're interested.

[mnicky]

Thanks in advance!

Now, if there was somebody to port this for Firefox... 🙏 🙂

[Adrian]

@Seweryn Kalemba I'm happy to take a look.

Do you have any intention on making the code public?  e.g. Github

[Seweryn Kalemba]

@mnicky It will be available for Firefox too :)

@Adrian Yes, once I clear up the code I will publish the repository on GitHub and it will be available for community contribution.

[Seweryn Kalemba]

Good news! :) The extension has been approved and published to Chrome Webstore: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/better-trello/dnhdnenpngcecekbhklemaidbdpibiae

@Adrian and anyone interested in contributing, here's link to the repository: https://github.com/migteam/better-trello-browser-extension

Please let me know any issues you have with the extension and I will be happy to help.

In the meantime, I'm working on publishing it to the Firefox extension hub.

[Robin S]

Thanks,
works great. Regarding the enlarged card view: This should be parameterizable, like doubling or trippling the original size or some percentage. Right now it stretches from left to right which is not useful on a large screen.

[Seweryn Kalemba]

@Robin S Thank you for your feedback, I will make some improvements in that matter.

@mnicky and Firefox users: extension is available now for Firefox as well: https://addons.mozilla.org/pl/firefox/addon/better-trello/

[tzsebe]

Seems to work great, thanks for sharing!

I have to refresh my page with `ctrl-shift-r` to get changes to stick (regular refresh won't work), in case anyone's hitting that issue in Chrome.

[Seweryn Kalemba]

@tzsebe Happy to hear that. Also, I will fix these kind of issues in the coming days.

[JD]

@Seweryn KalembaYou are awesome!  Thank you for this.

That a single person could do this in a few hours -- after we've heard how difficult and time-consuming it is to support Markdown -- must mean you have some real super powers ;) :)

Seriously though - thanks again.

[Seweryn Kalemba]

@JD Thank you for these kind words! I'm glad I could help with small effort. :)

[Greger]

I am also very sad and worried about this change. Direct input and editing of Markdown in plain text is a key feature of Trello. The entire purpose of __Markdown__ itself is to __not need an editor__.

I have not had time to read all comments here, but I agree with some that auto-formatting is perhaps even worse that Markdown obfuscation. Also there must remain a way to cut/copy/paste the Markdown text to/from other apps.

Regarding % of users who have opted in/out of WYSIWYG... In the __Trello app__ there is __no way to opt out__. This is why I stopped using the Trello app on my laptop and went back to a browser *only* so I could go to the labs page and disable WYSIWYG.

I honestly believe that more users would be happy and fewer would be sad if you simply removed the WYSIWYG editor. In my experience, most people don't bother to format descriptions and comments anyway and it's not for lack of buttons. Anyone can learn some basic Markdown if they want headings, bold, etc.

[Adrian Williams]

This extension has been a life saver.
I logged in after the transition and was immediately frustrated at the idiotic presentation behaviour of the new editor.  (I want a new line to mean a new line not a paragraph break.  Just give me plain text.  Please.)

@Seweryn Kalemba you have saved me from having to migrate to another provider.  One that let's format text when I want to. Not because I have to.

[Adrian Williams]

One remaining frustration is that even with the extension we can't have the markdown editor for comments.

I took a look at the extension and Trello's javascript and I see it would be non-trivial to get an override working for comments.

I'll give it some more thought but don't immediately have any good suggestions for making it work.

[JD]

@Greger 

"The entire purpose of __Markdown__ itself is to __not need an editor__."

Very well said.

And I didn't want to block quote this whole bit, but the WYSIWYG editor is refusing to let me make my own text "Normal Text"  Blah.  If only this supported Markdown.

[Seweryn Kalemba]

@Adrian Williams A quick update for you. I was able to make this work too for comments. Check out the latest version and let me know how does it work for you.

[Adrian Williams]

That's great @Seweryn Kalemba 

Thanks once again.

Looking at your commit logs I can see you've been a busy man ;)

[JD]

@Seweryn Kalemba 

You're amazing!  I was fine with dealing without it for comments, but the fact that you got it working is awesome.  Can't thank you enough.

[cklvdigital]

I hate this change.

In my team, people have stopped formatting their cards because nobody wants to use the WYSIWIG editor. This makes Trello increasingly worthless.

[cklvdigital]

Please vote on https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/TRELLO-601 to bring back Markdown support.

[storizzi]

The mobile app doesn't have a markdown editor yet (thank goodness) so you can always use that. I am relying on it. I have quite a complex workflow and if I edit anything using the desktop app now, it messes up the workflow completely. What I do is copy on my mac and paste into the card on my iPhone.

Yes, I know it's ridiculous, but otherwise I have to abandon my workflow that I took three years to develop.

Yes, I hate this arbitrary decision.

No I am not surprised, because Atlassian bought them. Any acquisition ends up with this kind of thing, trust me. I've been through many on the receiving end in my career.

But it has kicked me up the proverbial to create my own simplified kanban app, and start moving the workflow over to there - because once the editor comes to the mobile, I have no chance.

Still, on the upside, that's one less subscription that I'll have to pay for!

Kind of feel like an idiot plowing three years into an ecosystem that could disappear at any time due to one stupid little change like this tbh.

[Adrian Williams]

@storizzi Check out the extension created by @Seweryn Kalemba 

There's no Safari version but opening up Chrome is surely less of a stretch than switching back and forth between your desktop and phone.

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/better-trello/dnhdnenpngcecekbhklemaidbdpibiae

https://community.atlassian.com/t5/Trello-discussions/Looks-like-on-August-15-we-ll-all-be-forced-into-the-WYSIWYG/m-p/2785550#M4048