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New Portfolio Cloud Experience Beta

Pete Morris

UPDATE 11-May-2020

The beta is now closed to new applicants as we prepare for our Advanced Roadmaps launch. Thank you to those who participated!

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Hi Atlassian Community!

We are excited to invite applications to a private beta for a new Portfolio for Jira Cloud experience that will offer improved ways to visualise your work, plan for the future, and track progress along the way.

When compared to the previous experience, the new interface allows for simple drag-and-drop scheduling of Jira issues, a more interactive timeline for visualising your full issue hierarchy, improved and increased filtering capabilities, greater visibility and interaction with custom fields, and much more. The new interface has also simplified the experience by removing some features such as skills and stages, themes, and individual capacity.

We are looking for existing Portfolio for Jira Cloud customers to help us test and provide feedback ahead of a General Availability launch. Participants will be able to enable the new interface at an individual plan level, controlled by a Portfolio Admin.

Who is eligible?

To participate in the beta, you will need:

An existing Jira Software Cloud and Portfolio for Jira Cloud license
Portfolio administrator permissions (or the support of someone who has them)
Willingness to participate in customer interviews (as necessary)

How do I apply?

The beta is now closed. Please look out for our Advanced Roadmaps launch in the coming weeks!

Comments

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great news

Adi Shero

can you please clarify how we can use Portfolio (Advanced Roadmaps), to Jira Standard.

It's not clear if there are other options for the Standard users.

Josh Frank

@Adi Shero Portfolio Cloud (Advanced Roadmaps) will only be available on Jira Software Premium. It will no longer be available as a standalone app. For customers on Jira Software Standard, we are also working to ensure a basic roadmap is available to everyone (you can watch this development here: https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/JSWCLOUD-17214). Hope this helps!

Olive Sun

Any way to see a demo of this new change?

Uffe Henrichsen

Forcing existing Standard customers to upgrade to Premium this way is real dick move. We're a small team and don't need Premium for anything else - but this will cause our license fees to be x7.

In addition, I received an email from Atlassian stating that our account was 'already on a Jira Software Premium trial' and will automatically be upgraded at the end of the trial. I have not requested that trial and again, we don't want it.

Are there any actual customer benefits to this - aside from feature upgrades which would be expected anyway - or is it just Atlassian's bottom line that is being considered here?

Josh Frank

@Uffe Henrichsen I appreciate the feedback. Regarding Portfolio, the good news is that we are working hard to ensure every Jira customer has access to a roadmap as part of our Free and Standard plans (you can follow the JAC ticket here). The basic roadmap should meet the needs of small teams and Portfolio will be more for the multi-team, multi-project functionality and more advanced features like capacity management. Happy to chat more over a phone call as well, if you'd be interested. My contact is jfrank@atlassian.com.

Josh Frank

@Olive Sun There's no apples to apples demo available yet, although stay tuned! In the meantime, I suggest signing up for the beta. You can opt in on a project by project basis (you don't have to globally opt in).

Uffe Henrichsen

@Josh Frank If that is the case then that sounds promising, but that is not what the email says. It states in bold:

When this happens, Portfolio for Jira Cloud will no longer be available as a stand-alone app in the Atlassian Marketplace and the Portfolio for Jira Cloud features will only be available as part of Jira Software Cloud Premium.

If you intend to make functionality similar to what we have today, available in the Standard plan, then I think you should be much more clear about it before sending out this kind of 'pay up or lose access' message.

The ticket you link to doesn't have much information about what we can expect, and it appears that it's no longer possible to join the beta (go ahead and sign me up if that is possible). Could you please list down exactly what we can expect to get before you cut off access to Jira Portfolio? I'm happy to discuss over the phone, but I'm sure others would like to know too. Thanks.

Josh Frank

@Uffe Henrichsen Sorry if we fell short of your expectations. The email that went out is for existing Portfolio customers and is about the evolution of the app. Everyone will be given an extended Premium trial so no one will lose access to the feature in the near term. We want people to have ample time to make the best decision regarding what works best for them. To get a sense of the basic roadmapping feature (it's a separate feature from Portfolio), check out the out-of-the-box roadmap that comes with the next-gen project type. As per the JAC ticket, we are working on bringing that over the the classic project type as soon as we can. Again, feel free to drop me a line if you'd like to chat.

Bob Prescott

@Josh Frank If Portfolio for Jira Cloud is available as part of Jira Software Cloud Premium, does that mean if you have Jira Cloud Premium, Portfolio will not cost any extra?

Josh Frank

@Bob Prescott That's correct. Advanced Roadmaps (Portfolio for Jira Cloud) will be included as part of Jira Software Cloud Premium.

Uffe Henrichsen

@Josh Frank The next-gen project roadmap is pretty basic compared with Portfolio e.g. it's not possible to add additional issue types in the hierarchy as far as I can tell. We're using two levels above Epic. If we're stuck doing roadmaps at the Epic level then it won't work for us.

Are there any plans to allow additional levels?

V R Ravinuthala

@Josh Frank - Is there a time line for availability of Roadmaping for Classic Project types.

I have been evaluating Portfolio plug-in and Portfolio licenses for all users for the features its offering is cost-prohibitive for us. Roadmap features for Classic projects would be helpful.

"To get a sense of the basic roadmapping feature (it's a separate feature from Portfolio), check out the out-of-the-box roadmap that comes with the next-gen project type. As per the JAC ticket, we are working on bringing that over the the classic project type as soon as we can. Again, feel free to drop me a line if you'd like to chat. "

Bruno Fernandes

@Josh Frank we have all our plans, with teams' velocity, number of developers, vacations, holidays and so on in JIRA Portfolio.

Will this be supported in the new portfolio?

Roadmap as we know it today will not serve our needs!

Pete Morris

Hi @Bruno Fernandes !

Capacity management in the new experience focuses more on the team rather than individuals, so while we do support the team velocity from the live plan interface, we do not use the same features for individual level capacity and absences.

The new experience is an optional upgrade for existing plans, so if you want to continue using the individual capacity features of live plans then you can. We definitely encourage you to give the new interface a go though!

Joseph Fish_cew399

@Pete Morris With the transition, will the initiative (issue type) hierarchy still only be available as a part of the cloud premium plan.

Pete Morris

@Joseph Fish - levels of hierarchy above Epic (such as initiative) are currently a feature of Advanced Roadmaps and yes, Advanced Roadmaps will only be available as part of Jira Software Cloud Premium.

Uffe Henrichsen

@Pete Morris - appreciate the straightforward answer - it's taken more than a month to get it but still. So the short answer is that you are removing key features from the Standard plan and our only option is to upgrade to Premium.

It seems pretty clear by now that Atlassian's plan is to water down Standard in order to force customers to move to Premium. This is a terrible strategy - removing features that your customers have spent time and money implementing and now depend on, is a real trust breaker. My worry is what will be removed next? To be clear: We would rather switch to another platform than upgrade to Premium - there are other options that fit our needs for less money.

Pete Morris

Hi @Uffe Henrichsen - levels of hierarchy above Epic have never been offered as part of Jira Software Cloud; they were available via Portfolio for Jira. If users would like extra levels of hierarchy but do not need the additional planning capabilities as part of Advanced Roadmaps then they can consider the many options available to them via the Atlassian Marketplace.

Feel free to email me at pmorris@atlassian.com if you'd like to chat more about this.

Mona_a7c6k6

Hi Pete,

Will this support Jira Next Gene? Could you send a demo?

Thanks

Josh Frank

@Mona Out the outset Advanced Roadmaps (the new Portfolio experience) will only support Jira Software classic projects, but we are looking at how we can support next-gen in the future. Join our webinar in a couple weeks for an Advanced Roadmaps demo.

Mona_a7c6k6

Thanks @Josh Frank! I will definitely will join the Webinar. My main focus regarding the Portfolio management tools is on Resource management and capacity planning for the project. I'm open to hear if you have another adds on App, also.

Sunitha_9z89xf

@Pete Morris I would need some clarification on hierarchy. I will email you directly. I share similar concerns as other users here, regarding taking away features which we already paid for and spent time building the plans.

Krista Parker

@Josh Frank Question on the switch with the trial for non-premium users - do you know if work on the simplified roadmaps for standard users will line up with that switch for those organization who don't want to move to premium?

Eoghan Murphy_3toq9o

@Pete Morris is there the option to have a subset of account users on Jira Premium? Only a small number of an accounts users would ever need the functionality you're moving from Portfolio into premium, but what seems to be proposed is that we'll be forced to pay for access for all users on the account?

Also on your response to @Uffe Henrichsen above you call out

levels of hierarchy above Epic have never been offered as part of Jira Software Cloud; they were available via Portfolio for Jira

I think Uffe's point agrees that they were only available via portfolio, but points out that it was available as an add on to the standard plan for a reasonable cost and could be restricted to a subset of users... that option is being removed from standard plan users.

Allowing premium to be restricted to a subset of users with other users on the account charged at standard rate would seem like a more reasonable approach. Alternatively call out migration strategies for customers to the many options in the Marketplace you mention above

Josh Frank

@Krista Parker The basic roadmap for classic projects will come in a couple months (we can't comment on the exact date) so it will not correspond with the release of Advanced Roadmaps which is just around the corner.

@Eoghan Murphy @Sunitha Thanks for sharing your feedback.

Just like Portfolio, you will have to pay for all Jira Software Cloud users. We are doing everything we can to make the transition as easy as possible, with long extended trials. One benefit to keep in mind is how much good stuff is coming into Jira Software Premium, including automation features, project archiving, special dashboards for administrators, a sandbox environment, and a lot more. We think most customers who use Portfolio today are going to benefit a lot from these additional features. If you only need the roadmap features, we have our basic roadmap coming to all plans at no additional cost (coming soon) and there's several options in the marketplace as well. I'm available to chat through any of the changes on a 1x1 basis if you're interested. My email is jfrank@atlassian.com.

Eoghan Murphy_3toq9o

Thanks @Josh Frank I guess we'll have to wait and see what the basic roadmap will offer and how feedback on it is received & actioned during the overlap period when we're all on the extended trial of Premium and can compare with basic roadmap. I'm assuming that you're planning a lengthy overlap so the Premium trials may get extended if basic roadmaps slips beyond a couple of months

It just seems like a strange way of working to remove something from the marketplace that is obviously satisfying a need and offer customers a choice of

less functionality
significantly higher cost
go through another evaluation phase on other Marketplace offerings.

You can't justify the higher cost based on - look at how much good stuff you get - when this thread offers clear indications that folks want the option to maintain what they have for a reasonable cost.

At the very least it seems first feedback on basic roadmaps will be to add support for higher levels above epic so maybe look to action that before it gets released

Uffe Henrichsen

This might be useful for some of you: We're currently trying out Panorama as an alternative to Portfolio. It doesn't have any Gantt features, but you can configure hierarchies with your own custom issues as well as the basic ones from Jira. It seems pretty good so far, is dirt cheap, and the developer is very responsive.

Bruno Fernandes

Good morning Atlassian,

Today I took a look on advanced roadmap and it doesn't serve our needs.

We use Portfolio mainly to manage capacity, a feature that was completed dropped from this new portfolio.

That said I need clarification if the old Portfolio (or live plans) will continue to be available and supported. In your documentation you are classifying live plans as "Legacy".

Are you going to descontinue Live Plans? If yes when?

PS: Without capacity management we don't have any motivation moving into JIRA Premium.

Thanks,

Bruno

Pete Morris

Hi @Bruno Fernandes - which capacity features are you referring to here? We do support sprint capacity when using boards as issue sources and this can be visualised on the timeline.

Are you referring to individual team member capacity?

We haven't finalised the path forward for live plans yet, but our focus as a product team is now on the improved interface.

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